Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. Synopsis Community service. I stayed at 146 Copland Road above the Light Blue Cafe went to Ibrox primary School 1941 till 1948 happy times. . When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. Almost went to St Anthony's primary. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. Delete. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. Prihlsi sa. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Great memories. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. Nu acum. We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. As for our childhood and growing up in Govan we would never change a thing, there was everything in Govan any child wanted and we never ever suffered from boredom after school, we were outside playing peever, rounders, climbing dykes, swimming at the pool and rolling our Easter eggs down the hill at Bellahouston Park. : Gwovan[3]? [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. we were easy pleased in those days. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug The Old Govan Fair. In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. 3.75/4 3.75 / 4 (0 reviews) Staff Knowledge & Friendliness 4/4. Sources I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. ', "1881 England Census, The London Charterhouse, St Sepulchre Without, London, p.6 RG11/344", "University of Glasgow:: Story:: Biography of Jimmy Reid", "Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977 (c. 3) Schedule 2 Shipbuilding Industry", Govan Maps 1857-1934, National Library of Scotland, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govan&oldid=1127691800, Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with Wikisource reference, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles containing Scottish Gaelic-language text, Articles with MusicBrainz area identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 16 December 2022, at 03:51. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? There is a story By Danny Cahley born In 57 Hamilton Street, Govan it was renamed Nethan Street if I remember correctly. Govan Church was rebuilt in 1762, and again in 1826. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . My maternal grandmother Mary Agnes McDermott and her family came to Govan from Ireland in the early 1900's. Does anyone remember Reid the baker who was in Neptune Street around about the 1950s? He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. Contact Us. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. Lots of memories of that area. 125m Harley's ice cream parlour . Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. 109m Bells Bar . I now live in Brydekirk village but I'll never forget Govan. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. They were friendly and knowledgable, it was a great experience. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. When in trouble the Govanites all come together. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. What a memory. My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. Nestled among the quaint streets I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). Celebs Out & About: Christina Milian, Karrueche Tran, Raven-Symone Contact. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : - Sunny Govan Memories | Facebook I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. USA. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. It was a real shame to junk those old tenements instead of refurbishing them. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. It never surfaced again until Lil Feeney came looking for me (who I had known from Govan Initiative) and asked me if I would be interested in helping to write a Report on poverty and deprivation (along with herself and Brian) inspired by Darners book on the same theme. C/o Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND AGENT Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND WARD NO (S) 52, Govan COMMUNITY COUNCIL 02_073, Govan CONSERVATION AREA LISTED ADVERTTYPE Bad Neighbour Development PUBLISHED 24 October 2003 SITE AND DESCRIPTION I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. A Gannett Company. Acumfaegovan - Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine | My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. Glasgow undercover cop reveals alter-ego life in 80s drug gang I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. In 1855, an elaborately carved sandstone sarcophagus was found during digging in the churchyard. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. www.abet.com She got married in 1956 to my grandfather Robert. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. Community service. Acumfaegovan born and brought up on Langlands Road with my sisters Susan and Elaine Wilson by my wonderful parents Vera and Bill Wilson. Curtis Govan, 23, was convicted in July of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, simple assault, resisting arrest,. Management of entrance into the block zones was poor while the risk of personal attack inside and outside the flats was high. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us. Napier's Shipyard in Govan was later acquired by William Beardmore and Company in 1876 and incorporated into William Beardmore and Company in around 1900. [3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. A Victor Harbor businessman is forging ahead with bold plans for a $350m marina, apartment, hotel and convention centre project near The Bluff, despite the local council opposing major development . Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. The Catholic Church that was located in Stanley Street was I believe the largest Catholic Church in Glasgow and at one time had 5 resident Priests. Glasgow | Govan | Central Masterplan & Urban Fabric | Page 4 Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. The Murrays were a large family maybe someone remembers them? Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. NGR NS 55416 65081. Now offering wine & beer by the glass! In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley Of I'll do a bit of investigating. My Mum was Godmother to your brother and I was at your wedding. Bishop King. We stayed next door to the Mellon's in 31 Rathlin Street for a short time, I was friendly with your brother Paul. Remember, Charlies sweet shop opposite us, where after playing football we were soaked in sweat, you got a glass of lemonade for threepence. Clydebuilt Database - Shipping Times, Stuart Cameron. Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. What jobs? | Golf Monthly The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. Introduction There was a milk depot (Cuthbertson's Dairy) at the bottom of the street where we used to go and if we were lucky they would let us feed the horses, those were the days, how I loved going to the Plaza every Saturday morning to the ABC minors and when it was our birthday we got to go up on the stage and everyone sang to us. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. Small things eh? Of all the memories that I hold dear as a very young boy, was the guy pushing a barrow every Saturday afternoon selling bags of whelks! Editors' Code of Practice. Wine Quality 4/4. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. approached in flavour to wine. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. He and his pals jumped out and I ran back up three stories screaming. or. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored?