And it's not surprising, because in many ways Marina was the antithesis of Ella. Could you describe that process of disillusionment? Its good that people raise questions and say, Wait a minute, lets take a second look at this. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enoughs enough. Uploaded by So youre saying, in a sense, he is the ultimate pragmatist? Youve got all the physical evidence that ties together. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. What was his wife, Marina, like? Saltar al contenido principal.com.mx. About October 1962 things were not going along too good. Cuenta y Listas Devoluciones . We'll look into it.". Follow him on Twitter @davidastinwalsh. New book by Hoover fellow recounts his experiences knowing JFK's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald did not have any particular animus for John F. Kennedy. Oswald refused to talk to anyone at the U.S. embassy. The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. Usually, it has to do with a man, sometimes it has to do with a job, but the threat that courses through his childhood and adolescence is a frenetic, harried, peripatetic that is entirely his mother's concoction. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. What he did after he left the building is known: bus ride, taxi ride, boardinghouse, pick up the pistol, leave, shoot the police officer. . Killing Oswald: Directed by Shane O'Sullivan. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. Arriving in Moscow on October 16, he declared that he wished to renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Soviet national. When Lee Harvey Oswald Shot the President, His Mother Tried to Take What would have been the appeal to him about something like Marxism? That distinction belongs to my CBS colleague Bob. She is wanting to go back to Russia. Biden Should Remove Cuba from List of State Sponsors of Terrorism, Descendants of Slaveholder Donor Denounce Law School Name Change, How Social Media and Community Schools Could Fill in Gaps Teaching Black History, American Girl Dolls Declare the 1990s Ancient History, Review: DeSantis's Book is a Campaign Tome Written by ChatGPT, Reconsidering Phillis Wheatley's Place in the Revolutionary Era, Philosopher Lewis Gordon's Impact on Black Jewish History, Quintard Taylor's Black Past Project Fights Erasure of History, Review: The Unfinished Business of "Double V", One Reason to Confirm National Archivist Fast? He only had the Marxist argot. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. You look at the general opportunity -- he was present. I don't know. I don't think he had much experience with women, if any, before moving to the Soviet Union. Hes going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. What do you do with his general opportunity? [Last Name] 1 Dawson C. Mills [4/26/2017] Ghosts of Mississippi Essay Late on the night of June 13th 1963, Myrlie Evers and her three children were together in the bedroom watching President ( at the time ) John F. Kennedy give a speech on civil rights. John and I would be off doing other things. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. He would talk about anything else. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? As far as material goods the car taking her to a grocery store the first time you cant believe how excited she was. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. He struggled. Hes failing at almost every level. Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail and gave him an injection and soon after Ruby died from rapid cancer, Jack was also a patsy! There's hard physical evidence there. I was just completely in the dark. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. While in police custody, Oswald was murdered by Jack Ruby. What did he do? What do you do with his general opportunity? We know he owned a rifle. Ga naar primaire content.nl. This is mind over heart. He imagined himself taking part in something bold and totally separate from anything he had come from. It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy The two events -- the failed assassination of Walker and the successful assassination of Kennedy -- just represent a ratcheting up, and eventually there's this culmination of violence, which is meant to enable Oswald's escape from his life, and this way, the homicide is as much a suicide. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. In this interview, Posner talks about the forensic evidence over the years that points to Oswald as the lone assassin and the lack of credible evidence to support the various conspiracy theories. So hes very upbeat up on it. He found a spot, not very far, from where Walker was. I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field -- he asked me, "What, no reporters?" He started teaching this mans son how to write and talk Russian. He was just out of the Marine Corps. What would it be? We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. But she certainly conveyed it to John and I at very early ages. We spent some time together. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, Me, myself and I will do something.. . One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. The first thing he says is and he points to it Its tapped. I tell him it may or may not be. Oswald never stood trial for murder, because, while being transferred after having been taken into custody, he was shot and killed by Jack Ruby, a distraught Dallas nightclub owner. Lee Harvey Oswald Inside the Soviet Union [INTERVIEW] When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? Sat, Feb 25, 2023 LOGIN Subscribe for $1 He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he's coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. By Melissa De Witte Those alive when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963, remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news the president had been shot. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. He was in control. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? (TV) Summary. FRONTLINE: WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? I know he wanted to travel. She had been overbearing or whatever. What do you mean? I mean, they had asked the wrong man. I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. But Lee had that same personality type. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. I mean, youre his brother; you would want to believe more than anyone. What Lee Harvey Oswald's Mother Told Me - The Daily Beast I think it says that he is very pragmatic, and hes going to go with the punches. He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. We talked about family matters. When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? I said, If you told me everything youve done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done. I said, If that never came about, if you didnt really betray the country and you only attempted to do it and they didnt let you do it anyway legally, then it seems to me you have a basis. I said, We can look into it. WDSU Archives: WDSU interview with Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do -- got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didn't have it. He wasn't political. He is convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy and in this interview offers details about Lee's formative years and young adult life, describing how his brother's love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as "I Led Three Lives," became the "training ground for his imagination." It maybe opened up some doors for him. That's the shocker. This is a must watch till the very end.then another must watch with pen in hand . There's a logic in that. In a private note to one of his attorneys, Joseph Tonahill, Ruby wrote: \"Joe, you should know this. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. 2 thoughts on "Stew Peter's interviews Lee Harvey Oswald's Girlfriend about the JFK Assasination". He wasnt political. Interview: Gerald Posner. Conspiracy theories point to purported inconsistencies in the events of Nov. 22, 1963, and in the evidence collected against Oswald. The other thing was he wanted to get settled with the job. Interview: Robert Oswald | FRONTLINE He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. Lees trying. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they werent interested in it. Industries Crime and. Although Marina declined to be interviewed for FRONTLINE's program, McMillan talks about the perplexing, troubling events of Oswald's life based on what Marina confided to her. Hallo Bestemming kiezen Alle. Hola, identifcate. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, I need to be someplace else. Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. , Finally, I guess, I couldnt stand it anymore. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I dont know. After the genocide in Rwanda and atrocities in Srebrenica, Bosnia, in the 1990s, the world vowed never again. Then came the conflict in Darfur, Sudan, which began 20 years ago. In his new book, The Interloper: Lee Harvey Oswald Inside the Soviet Union Peter Savodnik, a journalist who lived and worked in Moscow and has extensively traveled around the former Soviet Union, dives into the foreign life of America's most notorious assassin. . So if we don't understand something, we assume that there is some sort of plot or conspiracy -- that there is an order, and we're just not seeing it. and he just laughed. Upon his return to the United States, was there a particular moment where Oswald decided to act violently? Ive managed to keep it quiet. That was it. How would he have reacted to that? But he had said he was going to give the Russians any information he had, and it seemed like he did. It just floors me, it floored me then. Lee. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. Here was a start. One was he wanted to get his manuscript typed up and written. We spent some time together. We talked about family matters. What attracted her to Oswald and why did she come back with him to the United States? ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. She could really become somebody from New York real easy when she's in Texas, putting on the air[s], whatever you call it. Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. He's failing at almost every level. But then, Oct. 31, we hear that he's in Russia. I said, "What did you tell them?" It's always personal. Everything is deteriorating. I don't know how you want to express it, but that's the way he characterized her at the time. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as I'm concerned -- the Warren Commission was correct. Aline Mosby was one of the first women assigned to cover the Kremlin, while stationed in Moscow in 1959 she interviewed a self-exiled Lee Harvey Oswald, who. New Documents on JFK Assassination Shed Light on Lee Harvey Oswald's Whereas Ella was rather innocent and timid and curious and prone to a kind of girlishness, Marina was anything but that. Im sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. Interviews | Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? | FRONTLINE | PBS LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.es: Libros. He said no, that wasnt necessary, he could take care of it. This was unsettling. I mean, they had asked the wrong man. When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn't. It was a game to him. Youve got all kinds of documented evidence. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. He was using his own imagination. Author Norman Mailer, and others, have questioned why Ruby would have left his two beloved dogs in his car if he had planned on killing Oswald at police headquarters.The House Select Committee on Assassinations in its 1979 Final Report opined: Ruby's shooting of Oswald was not a spontaneous act, in that it involved at least some premeditation. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. Photographs and documents also are on display. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. For this 2003 publication of the interview, Mr. Blakey has added a notation to those questions touching on the CIA, and refers the reader to a long addendum at the end of the interview that reflects his opinion on the CIA in light of current revelations. You can't set that aside just because he is saying, "I'm a patsy." What do you do with his actions? Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. I'm sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. Two, Jack Ruby did inestimable harm to the whole process of America coming to terms with what happened. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. Web Site Copyright 1995-2023 WGBH Educational Foundation. The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. One in this documentary series. From the Archives: How the World's Deadliest Ebola Outbreak Unfolded, Russias Invasion of Ukraine, One Year Later, War Crimes Watch Ukraine: More Than 650 Documented Events, From the Archives: How the U.N. & World Failed Darfur Amid "the 21st Century's First Genocide". Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say "Well, let's really see what this is about." They're not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, "Well, I wonder what this is all about." Now, on to his biography and the major point of your book: the biography of Lee Harvey Oswald. But a new book from world-renowned JFK assassination researcher Josiah "Tink" Thompson comes to a shocking different conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire the fatal shot that killed. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. Daughters of Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald Come Forward Radio Talk Show Host, Bob Allen Historian Priscilla Johnson McMillan was a reporter in Moscow in the 1950s and interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald shortly after his defection to the Soviet Union. He says he got that at the theater, and they hadnt been mistreating him since then. If it didn't work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. Five or six eyewitnesses there. The Soviets executed him on May 17, 1963. There are any number of possible outcomes -- or temples, so to speak -- he could have turned to. The jobs not doing that good. But things were tight at that time. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. You look at the general opportunity he was present. We had an old black-and-white. They've got the original negative. Consequently, people left it wide open. How can you explain one without the other? He deprived the country of its opportunity for working through all of the evidence, all of the details surrounding the assassination, so there's kind of a breathlessness, an awful void, that's left in the wake of Oswald's assassination. He finally got a job that wasnt exactly what he really wanted, but it was a start. Later in the day, after driving into town with his two pet dogs and sending an emergency money order to one of his employees, Ruby walked to the nearby police headquarters, where he made his way to the basement via the Main Steet ramp. Youve got the backyard picture. That was it. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Hola Elige tu direccin Todos los departamentos. I had to ask him very serious questions. Only weeks earlier, he had visited Soviet. The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different -- not [an] everyday occurrence. He was in control. It just didn't fit. Hes getting a better opportunity, he thinks, in Dallas, because its a bigger job market over there than what Fort Worth was at the time. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family -- what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? I think that Marina's a very complicated character, and I think it's fair to say in Oswald she saw a very good opportunity. New York City. You had said that he had very much been on his own in New York. What was he expecting when he went to the Soviet Union? The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. He went the following day, had the meeting. Chapter 1: Summary and Conclusions Chapter 2: The Assassination Chapter 3: The Shots from the Texas School Book Depository Chapter 4: The Assassin Chapter 5: Detention and Death of Oswald Chapter 6: Investigation of Possible Conspiracy Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives Chapter 8: The Protection of the President Lees fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. He wasn't political. Apparently hed been planning this for a long time. He's going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. " I'm just a patsy!"Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald the Assassin? What did he have in the back of his mind? He says he got that at the theater, and they hadn't been mistreating him since then. tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy But he finally said, Brother, you wont find anything there.. Buscar Amazon.es. He would tolerate anything for a little bit. He gave it to me either the first or second night to read. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? Jack Ruby: The Many Faces of Oswald's Assassin - amazon.co.uk The first thing he says is -- and he points to it -- "It's tapped." He knew something they didnt know, and he would keep it to himself. He told me about it, and I told him Id go with him. ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? | FRONTLINE - pbs.org It's good that people raise questions and say, "Wait a minute, let's take a second look at this." Three months before he assassinated President John F. Kennedy, 23-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald was interviewed a total of three times on radio and television in New Orleans, Louisiana.The attention Oswald received was undoubtedly due to the fact that the media considered him to be a very odd and unusual character. Can you describe that for me? So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? He is the older brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and a former Marine and salesman. discussion+glimpse of a life+links & readings+teacher's guide As opposed to seeing the Kennedy assassination as the way we ought to see it: as one of the great public tragedies of the twentieth century. He'd made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. WGBH educational foundation, In Fight Against ISIS, a Lose-Lose Scenario Poses Challenge for West. He's always under this impression. Later, after the Kennedy. NARRATOR: Within two hours, the police had arrested 24-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald. He didnt elaborate on that. Marguerite Oswald, mother of slain accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, is shown in New York with attorney Mark Lane on February 17, 1964, after testifying in Washington before. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. But he finally said, "Brother, you won't find anything there.". To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. Our mother was Lee's most important person in his life. Well, it took him a little bit longer than that, but he started trying after a year to come back. When Lee got back from Russia, the way he talked about the Russian system, he didnt talk about it politically, in the sense that he was wrapped up in communism or Marxism. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. Oswald met Marina in March of 1961, and he immediately sees in Marina the antidote to Ella German, who had really broken his heart. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was he wanted to be accepted. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. Interview'The defense actually made a pretty good case' Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV, yet his trial was no slam dunk In new book 'Kennedy's Avenger,' Dan Abrams and David. He never did answer. I dont know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. [37]Within hours of Ruby's arrest for shooting Oswald, a telegram was received at the Dallas city jail in support of Ruby, under the names of Hal and Pauline Collins. You dont think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? Even though Oswald says in his diary that Marina was surprised when he informed her he wanted to go back to the United States, she never puts any resistance. But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, thats a tremendous impact. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, "I need to be someplace else." She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody.
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